to the home of the Star Trek: Voyager fanfiction series Fifth
Voyager. It is based on the premise that every time a decision has to
be made or time travel alters the past, a new alternate dimension is
created for the changes to play out in. The change that separates
Fifth Voyager and Star Trek: Voyager lie in the new characters.
realise that in order to have a FAQ section, people have to actually
ask the same question more than once. FV isn't popular enough to have
most of these asked once, but it still sounds better than Probably
Asked Questions, and how many FAQs are made up of actual questions
anyway? I'm willing to bet not many. Anyway without further ado:
is Fifth Voyager?
is the series about?
genre does FV fall into?
is the website design so ancient?
are there two Season One's?
why is main Season One split into two?
should I start?
did this series come to life?
my shipping needs be fulfilled in this series?
isn't all shipping mush is it?
many new characters are there?
don't really like fanfic with new characters in, will I still like this?
up with these self-insert characters?
mostly Season Five inspired by the post-Endgame novels?
is a writer's block mentioned so often?
up with "Hunters" being a running gag?
is Fifth Voyager?
Voyager is a fanfiction series, plain and simple. Even though it is
written out like ordinary fanfiction, every story is called an
episode and the series is divided into seasons.
is the series about?
started this series based on a what if? What if some small
little event changed the whole course of Voyager's journey? All I can
tell you besides that, without spoiling the storylines, is that the
series is set in an alternate universe to the original Voyager.
genre does Fifth Voyager fall into?
a complicated question. I originally planned for the series to be a
Sci-Fi/Fantasy series mixed in with some "quirky humour",
focusing more on character development. I wrote drafts of the (at the
time) important episodes of the first season; Timeline and World
Domination, like this. When I eventually started at the beginning
with Aggressions that changed. For some reason or another I wrote
Part 2 as this strange and mad parody that made no sense, and
completely ignored the point of the episode. At one point it looked
like I remembered why the episode was called Aggressions, but was
more interested in being "funny", so the point was brought
up and quickly dismissed within a few scenes.
story shorter, the series unfortunately took the parody route after
that. I was an immature 15 year old. That's the only reason I can
safely give you as I honestly don't remember what I was thinking.
Four and Five, as well as the third prequel season, were what I had
in mind for FV's tone. I think the safest answer is the genre differs
does your website look so old? Frames, seriously? The website looks
like it belongs in the late 90's/early 00's.
I really hate modern website design. It's far more flashy and less
functionable in my opinion.
it has been over a decade since I bothered to learn any html, php
etc... coding. One of the reasons why was because of the first one. I
didn't want to learn how to make "scroll to load more of the
page", moving menu's and flashy images.
I'm not as interested in web design as I used to be. This site is
the only one I'm currently managing, only because it's the only way I
can or want to share my work right now. I'm here for the writing.
get me wrong, I like having a nice site. I know it can't be ugly as
some people may leave the site before they read anything. However I
prefer keeping it simple for the user and for me to update it. I've
been using the same program to manage this website since I first
launched it. It does everything I want. It keeps track of all my
pages, shows the site's structure and most importantly allows me to
write directly into the episode's file without having to type [ i ]
formatting and line breaks. It takes long enough. It's more annoying
than you think to type in Word and copy it into the web program. It's
messy and creates more work, and I can waste time on my own, thanks.
now I'm happy that the site looks different to others out there, and
looks like a (badly made) lcars system. The frames make that easier.
My only issue with frames is the strange glitch I get in Firefox that
randomly forgets what the last page was, and gets locked on a page.
Or instead it forgets everything and resets the frame completely.
I've researched the glitch, it seems to be a Firefox incompatibility
that they've known about for a while.
just be grateful I've mostly phased out Comic Sans.
is this Reboot?
is the project I created to help cure my writers block which had
gone on from 2007 to 2011. The project basically is to rewrite Season
One so it fits in more with the later seasons, and gives me a second
chance to actually make it how I imagined it back in 2000. Some of
the other seasons will get similar treatment, but not as extreme. The
prequel (B4FV) Season Two is a good example of what will likely
happen to them.
this page for more information.
have two Season One's, why?
decided to start Fifth Voyager where Voyager really began for me. I
watched several episodes on and off until Scorpion was shown, then I
was hooked. It seemed fitting to do this. Also there's another big
reason, but that would be writing spoilers. Let's just say Scorpion
works better as a pilot for FV than Caretaker does.
I was safely through Season One I decided to write what happens with
the new characters before Scorpion/Aggressions. I couldn't just
rename Season One to Four, and I certainly couldn't stall the series
until those three seasons were done, so I decided to do them as a
spin off prequel series named B4 Fifth Voyager.
Season One: Starts with Caretaker
One: Starts with Scorpion
is Season One split into two?
One is basically the heart of the Reboot project at the moment.
Unlike Season Four and B4FV Season Two, this season isn't just a
simple case of adding in new scenes or editing existing ones.
Episodes are being switched around, some even replaced, rewritten. I
can't for example do this:
actually happens, amazing)
Or Less isn't Mental Illness and vice versa, the former just took
its slot. Also I'd prefer while this is happening to have the
original in one piece as the roughly 13 years age difference between
original and reboot is noticeable, and there are four more seasons
following the completed season. Reboot Season One isn't finished,
it's close but not close enough to cut the original cord yet.
Reboot One is finished it'll be formatted with the rebooted version
as default, with a link to view the original in its proper order. I
hope Season Two and Three won't need such treatment.
where do I start?
suggest the remake of the very first episode: Aggression.
It should give you an idea what to expect and introduces all but one
of the new main characters of the series. I have other episode
recommendations if you're not entirely bothered about spoilers. These
will be in the next "question".
of the Reboot, directing you on where to go from the first reboot
episode is tricky. I've tried countless times to simplify this
question and it always looks complicated. It shouldn't be.
sixth time's the charm, I've lost count.
The Reboot Path. Continue with episode 2: More
or Less. You'll eventually run out of reboots. I begrudgingly
suggest continuing with the original episodes when you do. The
Episode Archive will always guide you to the recommended continuation
point in the original season, while the reboot episode itself will
have a temporary link guiding you. After that it's simple, keep going
until the end. If you see any reboot episodes popping up since you've
read the original, I highly recommend checking them out.
up to you when you read the prequels (starting with Caretaker) in
this path. While the prequels do make references to particular plot
twists in the first few episodes, it doesn't matter too much where
you are in the main seasons when you dive in.
personally recommend this path. You get a bit of both this way. You
get to see how I wanted the series to be first, then how it was when
the series was young (and maybe understand why I made the reboot
mess) and you'll then see it develop into what it is now. Full circle
if you will. Also, you're missing out on "classics" like
Aggressions and Muse. I'm all for that.
The Chronological Path. Go right back to the beginning with Caretaker
in B4FV Season One. I'd keep going until you get to an episode titled
Alternate Scorpion. That will lead you back to the Aggression/Reboot
Route above. Since you'll have just finished B4FV Season Three and be
more accustomed to how it is written, I'd recommend keeping on
clicking the next episode links. Hopefully by the time you get there
there will be more reboot episodes to read and less originals.
know the Episode Archive has it in this order, but the main seasons
were always the starting point. I wrote the prequels with that in
mind, hence why there's spoilers in it. It's no big deal really. In
this path you'll get a couple plot reveals earlier. As long as you
keep that in mind and are not bothered by the constant fourth wall
jokes about the main seasons, then I recommend this path.
is fine/bad, but I'm still not sure. Do you recommend any other
episodes to get me interested?
do. Just remember that a lot of these will spoil a number of things
if/when you start reading in order.
B4FV 1.01: Caretaker
rewrite of Caretaker is a huge improvement over my original. Unlike
that it manages to still tell the original pilot episode without
copying everything word for word, with a random completely obvious
it's "new" scene every now and then.
1.22: Outside of Time
I were to pick an episode out of the first prequel season that isn't
rebooted, it would be this. My second pick would be Ex
Post Facto. However it's likely only I find that original
episode parody funny. Outside of Time was inspired by the not well
liked film Ghost Ship, and so there are one or two references/jokes
to it. They're easily missed and can be brushed over if you do see
them. Considering how old it is, the episode does a half decent job
of mixing humour and horror together into a great story. Something
that the first prequel season severely lacked until then.
doesn't spoil too much, if it does at all. It's just a nice episode
showing FV's potential. The only issue off the top of my head are the
brief cameo's from the season's villains. You likely won't know
what's happening there, but it doesn't effect the story at all.
Wreck and Death Wish
(B4FV Season Two Episodes
6 & 9)
you decide on any of these two, I recommend the other as well.
They're not that long, so no worries.
Wreck: Is an important episode disguised as mostly filler. I won't
get into explaining that, a later recommendation will do a better job
of that. The episode is an intentional slow burner mystery, with an
attempt at horror on the side. It also starts a main character's
story arc for the rest of the series. Its second off last scene is
really bad, that's the only issue with it.
Wish: Skip over what follows Broken Wreck, unless you fancy a couple
of silly episodes, and read one of my favourite original Voyager
episode "parodies". Why the quotation marks? I don't know
what to call them. Some of my older ones are parodies, sure, but ones
like Death Wish are basically my take on them, the FV version of it.
They're not meant to be making fun of anything. The point is to set a
few storylines up, most of which go on for quite a long time.
Personally I like what I did with the Q part of the story, Quinn in
particular I enjoyed, while the new storyline on the planet is
interesting and hides its true intention quite well.
these two together? They're linked, and are definite unrebooted
highlights of the second prequel season.
Facing Fears Saga (B4FV Season Three Episodes 15 - 18,
five episodes were very risky at the time. The storyline got a
little brutal in places. Also since they were still in the prequel
seasons, I ran the risk of creating plot errors. You know, typical
prequel errors. However it turned out pretty well. I had the choice
of parodying/doing my own take on the weaker half of Voyager's third
season, or doing something completely new. I chose the latter. I
won't ruin it by talking about it. I'll just say it has the perfect
mix of character development, drama and action. Keep going until
you're done with Mind Games, which will seem pretty damn confusing
when you start it. That's intentional.
Year of Hell
is my own take on the Voyager classic, only I changed why they are
damaged in the first place. It follows on from episode 2's
cliffhanger, but the episode does a fine job of making sure you don't
need to read that. The cliffhanger itself is at the beginning in a
different perspective so you don't miss that, and the characters
explain enough to make it work. It's a good episode worthy of a read.
1.09: Worse Case Scenario 2
100% pure silliness and I hope that everyone who reads it laughs at
least one of the jokes. It's a parody sequel to Worst Case Scenario
(and the B4FV version of it of course.
Though I do recommend reading that too, at least just the holodeck
parts of it) and to be honest, it's just harmless fun. Since most of
my recommendations have been mostly serious, story arc based
episodes, I thought a nice humour episode would be a good idea.
is the oldest episode on my recommendation list. It was written in
2001, I was 16 going on 12. That's enough warning. Months before this
my series was all bad jokes, unresolved plots, bad characterisation,
potential wastage. Resistance was one of the first steps towards what
the series is now. As stated I was a silly teenager, who was naive
and very easily embarrassed when writing things out of my comfort
zone. So when I thought up an episode purely focused on a love
triangle gone bad, I didn't expect to pull it off. I did.
not without its problems. I remember the opening being quite poor
and the side story being a stolen joke from a Saturday morning show.
Ignore that and you've got a pretty good episode for its time. It
does reference the previous two, Interactions and Disconnected, but
they're minor. I believe you still can understand Resistance without them.
2.28: Man Out Of You
was still writing bad parodies and stealing storylines from various
different things, so Man Out Of You was definitely out of place.
That's why it's here. It could be better. I imagine a modern day
version of it to be perfect, especially with my experience in
developing its storyline in Season Five. However it does what it set
out to do well. People who have reviewed it, one without having read
FV before or watched Voyager for that matter, said it did a realistic
job of portraying a character who suffered from physical and mental
abuse at a very young age. Its only flaw other than not being written
today is that the ending was rushed. Other than that, I highly
another rec for the silly FV humour list. Akoonah uses one of my
favourite storytelling methods, as it is ripe for parody and makes it
a change from chronological order. What is it? Basically something
happens "off screen". The characters then gather around to
figure out why, so they tell their version of events, which is shown
via narrated flashbacks. Since it's a character telling the story,
it's realistic to assume the events aren't accurate due to imperfect
memory and some people may intentionally tell it differently so they
look better. I've done this in a few episodes but Akoonah Matata
still has my favourite use of this. I won't ruin it, see for yourself.
it's an amnesia episode, run for the hills. Normally I don't like
them myself. They're up there with possession and one off love
interest episodes of anything. It's not the full point of it. Some of
the characters volunteer to take part in a dangerous fighting game,
which if they lose will mean the ship is trapped, forced to play
further games until they do win. The rules aren't clear and worst of
all, anybody who isn't naturally meant to take part in these games
loses their memories. I like this one because the memory loss aspect
works. Jessie's story in the episode is a good hint of things to come
in her arc, while developing her nicely. The scene where she faces
off against her old foe, I love everything about it.
of the Eyes and Burnt Out And Falling
Episode's 24 & 25)
sad, they're brutal, but they still have time for some of my bad
humour. These are pivotal episodes which greatly affect Season Five.
did warn you that spoilers would be around here. I really only
recommend these two if you're okay with knowing which characters will
die later, when you start reading in order. That's all I can say and
even that's too much.
5.09: Death of the Soul (with Queuing Forever
as a prologue)
could not write this episode back in 2008 as I didn't think I could
pull it off. It stopped me from writing for years. When I came back,
I was more than ready. This episode IMO is perfect. The multiple
storylines, which still connect together nicely, are interesting and
each have their own charm about them. Mostly all of the characters
get a chance to shine, whereas in the old days I struggled with that.
It has action, humour, sci-fi and fantasy elements meshed together,
and it just all goes together perfectly. Definitely recommended if
you're okay with the fact that what it expects you to know to read
it, will spoil a lot of the series for you.
5.12: Three's A Paradox
there are a few Season Five episodes here, and I've struggled to
keep the number down as well. I am very proud of Season Five and it's
because it has episodes like this. The title tells you basically what
it's about. Three paradoxes need to be fixed. Three characters are
chosen to deal with them, and you go with them when they do. Their
particular parts are in their perspective, not really first person.
I'm not sure what it's called to be honest. You see and hear what
they do. Each character has a lot to say and their storylines at that
point in the season are enough to hook you in. Craig's is
particularly heart breaking at times. The episode does expect you to
know a few things, quite a bit in fact. Remember the Closing of the
Eyes and Burnt Out And Falling recommendation? Them basically.
is the 200th episode and I decided that the perfect way to celebrate
that, was to explain or rather show how this alternate universe the
series is based in was created. You could see it as a pilot episode if...
only issue with this suggestion is that it spoils pretty much
everything. It's near the end of the final season after all.
wanted to chuck in a few more that I think are must reads, however
they do require you to know more about the series and/or spoils it
greatly. Five excluded of course, that one is the worst offender for
both. I also didn't want to recommend all the great episodes or you'd
be left with what I think are the duds to read next, and I don't
on earth were you on when you came up with this series?
I was fifteen so it's hard to remember if I was on anything, it
probably was Cherry Coke ^_^
how did this series come to life?
always wanted to write my very own series. I've had about three/four
failed series ideas for Voyager fanfiction before this one, as well
as ideas for my own novels.
first one was the series which I thought I'd be able to publish, god
I was stupid. This series was mostly based far in Voyager's future
with one or two extra characters.
second one was a proper What If series, I don't think I named it
though. The only episode I came up with was a re-write of Scorpion,
the what if was what if Janeway got assimilated while aboard
the Borg Cube.
third one was called something like Front and Behind The Camera
Series, which was obviously a behind the scenes of Voyager series but
focusing on different actors.
to cut a long dull story short(er), each one of these, as well as
much older work I gave up on, gave me the inspiration for another
series. About twenty episodes were chosen to be re-written, some new
ones replaced some of them, characters were created and/or adapted
from my earlier novels that never were, and a title was made up.
Fifth Voyager, or what it was called in the early days: The Fifth
Dimension Voyager Series, or TFDVS for short, was born.
up with the title? How many Voyagers are there?
you can see above it was shortened from a ridiculous title already,
both of which probably make no sense to you. My first idea for a book
series was VERY basically about an alternate dimension where another
intelligent species evolved on Earth, more advanced than and hidden
from Humans. As I was probably about 12 or something when I thought
of it, I just referred to it as the fifth dimension. The title was
originally a nod to that, nothing more.
started developing the series before I changed the name, and a lot
of the ideas I came up with made me re-think it to what it is now.
There's a few different meanings to it, but unfortunately I'm trying
to make this guide spoiler free.
I've blabbed on enough, so...
are not five Voyagers.
isn't a series about the Voyager D or E, aka Voyager the Fifth ^_^
was a stupid name.
you read original Season One's explanation for it, it's ok to laugh
at how stupid it is, it's meant to be.
is however a series built around Voyager's journey through an
^ is probably the biggest spoiler you'll get in this page.
a diehard shipper, what shippings are in this series?
not very good at writing romance (or anything for that matter, haha)
but as J/C fanfiction was my inspiration for writing Voyager, there
is some attempted stuff in there. Basically it's just
Janeway/Chakotay and Tom/B'Elanna. I did have some Chakotay/Seven in
there but I treat that like the joke it is.
don't write sex scenes, so if you're here looking for some 18/NC-17
or whatever fanfic, you're in the wrong place. The most you'll get is
morning afters, or befores in some cases. I did say that romance
isn't my strong suit anyway so I really doubt anyone is disappointed.
If you want badly written porn, I'm sure Fifty Shades of Twilight
will suit you fine.
not into shipping, will I still like this?
don't know if you'll like it, sometimes I don't. I do know though
that the shippy stuff isn't a primary focus, so yeah it shouldn't be
what puts you off FV. There are an odd few that you may not like
because of this, but as I said, they are few. The series boasts over
200 episodes, and right now I can only think of two where 80% of it
is shippy; Grove of H'Taria and Bad Coffee Week, and the latter is
only about 40% shippy and 60% crappy situation involving same couple.
are new characters? Do I have to research them before reading?
There is a Cast Guide but it doesn't say much, I don't want it to. I
want readers to learn about the characters as they go. There are only
six major new characters to "worry" about, the rest are minor.
the main ones are: Morgan/Lena, Kiara, James, Jessie, Craig and Damien.
James and Jessie shouldn't be judged during the original Season One
mainly because I hadn't developed them then, so I recommend that you
don't dislike/like them until Season Two. Sad but this is why I'm rebooting.
don't care about these new characters, should I continue reading?
can't really answer that honestly. It really depends on how much you
don't care. If you don't like the characters or you really want to
read fanfiction just about the originals, then probably not. I hope
you give it a chance though.
are Marill, Raichu, Firera, Togepi, Vulpix and Char... something?
boy... one of my biggest regrets involving FV. All of those names
are the "writers" who appear just for the hell of it. I got
the idea off previous fanfics I had read, and I always found it
funny. Some do find FV's version funny, but I don't, not anymore.
Never mind, it's done.
Marill btw, the others were old friends who contributed ideas. In
the old days the "Written By" in the episodes credited them
for ideas, even just ickle ones such as a spoken line. There were
times where I'd write with someone around and they'd be credited too,
mainly cos I write differently with an audience and/or they'd suggest
something. You get the idea. I think it's time to admit that it was
me writing every episode all along, nobody else typed anything.
Having the "writer appears in story" trope with just me
wouldn't have really worked, (not that I think it did in the first
place heh) so other "writers" appeared too. I'd take my
name off an episode every now and then to hide what was really
happening (yikes, controversy haha).
something I'm not proud of but we all do daft things when we are
kids, and as I'm still a daft "adult" it's obvious that I
wouldn't be the exception. If you're an old regular who believed it
and are a little miffed at this revelation then I apologise, and I
hope it would make you feel better to know that even if I wanted to,
I couldn't pull off "Written by Marill and such and such,
but not really, they just said hey this little thing should happen"
nowadays. I'm mostly friendless now, shocking! ^_^ Seriously, I'm
only in contact with one of them now. No it had nothing to do with
this site. Not that something like that hasn't happened before.
the "writers" characters are not important to the story,
unless you check out World Domination, so just ignore them. Unless
you do find it funny, heh. They don't exist in the Rebooted version
anyway, so your exposure to them will likely be Season Two, a bit of
Three and the first prequel season.
read the post Endgame novels. Have you been "inspired" by
them? There's a few similarities.
hoping that this question never comes up, but still just in case
I'll answer. No. Not at all. The similarities I've noticed are a bit
worrying and don't paint me in the best light. I can assure you
though and there is plenty of proof that I developed these plots much
earlier than the novels.
examples that I'm going to go through are from late
Season Four up to the finale, so beware of massive spoilers.
However if you're actually reading this because you thought of this
question, then it's likely you already know them. Still, a warning's
and Chakotay's relationship
2004 I finally married them off. Five years later in 2009 the book
Full Circle comes out and J/C are shown getting together in a
flashback. Both of these incidents take part in 2380, and are REALLY
soon followed by...
dies in both FV and the novels. FV she dies in May 2380, while the
novels I believe was June 2380 (it was definitely close at least).
The FV episode was released 2004, while the book doing this was
released in 2007. I didn't know until reading the 2009 Voyager
comeback novel, but hey.
FV gets no feedback, but I did get worried that I'd annoy some
people killing off Janeway. Before Dishonour (2007) caused outrage
amongst Janeway fans, they created a campaign to bring her back. I'm
still a member of that, the irony, if only they knew *snigger*
FV there's another faction/kind of Borg that assimilates the dead
for their drones. You can see where I'm going here. In the novels,
Janeway is assimilated by a mutated cube, if I understand correctly
the pure original form of the Borg. The cube causes carnage and is
eventually destroyed, she isn't saved.
started this storyline with a vague cliffhanger in 2004. Season Five
started to explore it in 2005 and it was finally revealed in 2006.
The novel again was released in 2007.
handles this whole situation TERRIBLY. He loses his sense of self,
becomes basically the angry warrior without her. He completely loses
the plot. In the novels his behaviour makes him lose Voyager, he gets
counselling. Of course none of what he does compares to his FV
counterpart. It's just nice that the author and I both thought that
Chakotay wouldn't handle her death well.
this is where my proof starts to dwindle a bit, and also the Janeway
dies topic segregates for the time being. I couldn't abide Endgame
for multiple reasons. The second biggest one was the time travel
nonsense. Future Janeway takes future technology back in time to
Present Voyager, so they can use the technology to defend against the
Borg in order to get them home earlier. As usual you got the biggest
error in time travel stories right there. Janeway's future is
changed, so she doesn't really NEED to go back in time to do it. The
technology she brought doesn't get invented, they already have it.
Ignore that and the reason for inventing it is gone cos you just
killed off the Borg. I could go on all day but I won't.
in my imagination Endgame became a huge Timeless like paradox. These
time travel errors were my inspiration into believing that altering
the past is mostly impossible. All you do is set another dimension in
motion. Future Janeway's timeline is still the same. But anyway, I
thought I could play around with this while making fun of an episode
I hate. My original choice was to use the reboot of Season One's
cliffhanger, Thrown Key, which originally covered Unimatrix Zero.
This was in 2011 or 2012, I'm not sure. Unless I mentioned it on an
update page, I have no proof.
it was decided to use the paradox in 200th episode Five. I needed an
original Voyager paradox to destroy space time itself, Endgame seemed
more than suitable. The episode was released in 2014.
the novels future Janeway's trip back made it so Voyager avoided a
fateful encounter with something called the Omega Continuum. Now the
universe is in jeopardy. The book was released in 2012. Truth be
told, I didn't notice how similar it was at first, but I did find it
funny that someone else thought Endgame was paradox inducing.
good going Endgame
order to fix the damage, Q enlists Janeway to help him. He has to
freeze time around Voyager in order to do this. Then he sends her
back in time. Of course as I've stated above, it merely just creates
a new dimension. This is the same episode, released in 2014.
the same book, Q's son gets his mother to help resurrect Janeway. He
has other help (and I'll get to that later). He hopes that she can
help figure out why Endgame caused so much trouble, in multiple dimensions.
Voyager's entire premise revolves around the fact that the Voyager
in the series isn't the same Voyager, it's a one split from it
because of multiple changes to the timeline and decisions being made
differently. The episode Five (2014) explores the premise that's been
hinted at and explained throughout the series since 2000, because
it's a 200th episode. Endgame effectively was the season finale of
First Voyager, and its paradox sparks everything from Second to Fifth
what I remember, the actions in Endgame is cemented in multi
universes and Janeway is aware of them all because when she died, Q
or his partner secured her soul somewhere. I have no proof that a
2014 episode wasn't inspired by a 2012 book. The episode's premise
though had more than enough proof throughout the series' 15 years, I
hope that's enough.
2001, Kes returned for a few cameo's in Season Two to vaguely hint
she knows about the dimensions, Lena and Kiara mess. Episode Precise
Timings had a modified glimpse of timeline 3 (aka Third Voyager), but
kept that fact hidden. In 2003 the Season Four episode Lullaby, Kes
returned again to explain that someone threatened to screw up the
paradox, effectively erasing Lena and James from the timeline, so she
had to explain Why.
it basic, she explains in timeline 3 James' death eventually leads
to Voyager's destruction. Her timeline 3 self travelled back to save
him, creating timeline 4. I won't go on as it's not relevant to what
I'm saying here. It's just a mild one anyway that made me smile; Kes
has a hand in saving the universe by resurrecting one person. Not bad.
the novels the person she brings back is Janeway. Again this is a
2012 book, but at least the initial episode revealing mine was in
2003 not in Five's 2014 release. Yay.
of my main villains is the focus of the final season. The plot began
in 2003 with the "movie" End of the Line, had multiple
episodes in Season Four. All of this to prepare for the fifth
season's main arc. Episode 9 Death of the Soul kicked this example
off in 2013. The villains basically drain the life out of planets for
fuel, and probably for laughs too. Most of the planets so far have
been left in crumbled pieces thanks to this.
the novel released in 2014, Voyager finds out about a species that
drained the life out of many planets to fuel themselves. This
happened a long time ago. At the end they meet them and they seem
super nice (and suspicious). The long time ago and nice part's
different, of course, it's the drained planet part that made me
think. I only just recently thought of this one and that's why this
part of the FAQs is here now. It's the latest example.
had/has far too many new characters, and a few extra ships alongside
Voyager. They temporarily lost the Enterprise but got it back, lost
the Leda, a few characters have died permanently.
novels still has far too many new characters to keep track of, which
makes me very apologetic about FV haha. Also a few extra ships making
a fleet. They've lost a few ships so far, characters have gone down
with them or died/disappeared.
know it's a silly point/example, I just found it amusing and brought
things into perspective for me. Do I cut the characters and ships
down because it made the books a little harder to read, or do I think
"well if an author got away with it, so can I". Haha.
so many spoilers
start with the novels this time so anybody who isn't fully up to
date on FV won't get the big storyline ruined for them. They'll have
time to skip ahead. Yep. Okay.
stated above, Janeway is brought back from the dead so she can help.
the latest (at time of writing) episode of FV, Out of Mind's Eye,
Janeway returns completely separated from her undead collective.
She's still technically dead, so whether this is a good example or
not is up to you.
back and in 2015, three years after the novels did it, and that's
why I've mentioned it. I didn't see that campaign and/or read that
novel and think, gee I should do that too. I was always going to
bring her back. I didn't just stick her in an undead Borg collective
for sick laughs and/or solely to create drama between Chakotay
and everyone. I planned for this ten years previously when developing
her original comeback episode, Closure. No later than 2005, possibly 2004.
I know, no tangible proof. However there are hints to it, all
throughout. The Borg/Tolg thing alone is one as it basically screams
"this is an opportunity for the character to come back",
doesn't it? It was just unfortunate that I couldn't write properly
from 2007 to 2011, and cos of that Season Five couldn't continue
hints are there from 2004, the plan was always this from no later
than very early 2005. The hint that the episode Closure was planned
at that time is present in a number of episodes from as early as
Season Two. I could delve deeper into it if anyone asked. You have my
word only, unless you're good at seeing the hints and knew this was
coming all this time. Sigh.
still two books behind on the novel series (*I first wrote
this before Pocket Full of etc came out, and since then I've read
Acts of Contrition), because I'm concentrating on writing at the
moment. However there was a side plot in it, as well as the ending,
and the synopsis for the next two books... makes me extremely
concerned that another part of Season Five will make people think
I've stolen that as well. I can't say too much as there's 1 episode
to go, it's still possible that what happens in them may have been
figured out by someone. I'm getting similar vibes on where I think
the novel story is going. I could be wrong and hoping I am.
of June 16, I've read through Acts of Contrition so I'm happy to be
wrong with all of my concerns. What were they?
To Normal spoilers) The main one was the experiments being done on
Axum, and I thought there would be yet another corrupted person in
Starfleet's higher ranks. At the very least we've got a twisted
doctor doing horrific experiments on people (ugh the face melting). I
know, that plotline's not original in the slightest as previous
novels had done it already. I did tell myself that it was unlikely to
be at all similar to what the Softmicron does. The only smidgen of
similarity is what seems to be an as of yet unknown alien changing
their form (abusing a hologram, not a shapeshifter) to manipulate
people. Reaching pretty damn high, so not worried people will see FV
and think I'm still a huge copycat. Also, that was the cliffhanger to
the book, I'm still after a brief skim of Atonement asking
"who" to the identity of this woman I feel like I'm
supposed to know and react with OMG. Myeh.
other I already knew I was reaching with. The Confederacy or
whatever they're called are nothing like the Softmicron in the
slightest. The only thing they have in common is their history of
sucking planets dry and not caring one bit about it. So far ^_^ I've
got nothing to worry about here. No chance anyone will think I've
ripped any of my Season Four and Five plot arc off from these books.
Other than maybe the Janeway stuff.
a brief skim of "Pocket Full of Lies" first chapter had me
laughing in spite of myself, with Miral saying something similar to
Duncan in "Dark Page of the Book" when great grandparents
were brought up. It's an easy joke to come up with, I'm not going to
cry "wahhh my joke" or anything. Honest :P
have been partially spoiled on the latest book, which is why I was
intent on catching up. Something about it caught my eye and I felt I
needed to check it out, because let's face it, I panicked so much
when I read it. Spoilers for the novels and less so for FV:
has a daughter. Only it's an AU Janeway not the "First" Janeway.
read enough spoilers to get a basic grasp on this, but not the book.
I will. I wish I hadn't bought it after it gave me a near panic
attack. Basically it all goes back to the Endgame malarky and
Janeway's death. My memory of Eternal Tide's a tad fuzzy, but either
Janeway's death was cemented into multiple dimensions or her
resurrection was. As in no matter what, one of these things happened
exactly the same way and same time. Cough. Pocket seems to go into
the paradox of Year of Hell (this convinced me enough to buy the damn
thing) as well, but I'm still not sure how yet having not read it.
All I got was this was the reason another Janeway was around with a
(I think) teen/adult daughter, if I'm mistaken please correct me.
Neither of which belong in this dimension if you think about it.
it's no big deal. Someone having a daughter isn't a huge god damn
plot twist. I just know to start panicking again if this daughter
appears with super strength and telepathy, then Q shows up taking
credit for it. Which in a way, a Q sorta was... 0_0 If Kes does as
well, I'm gonna get a damn lawyer lol.
on, you're not suggesting that a published best selling author has
ripped YOU off?
extremely unlikely and quite hilarious to think about. FV is not
well known amongst Voyager and/or fanfiction fans. Maybe when it was
younger a few people may have seen it on sites like fanfiction.net,
Trek Writer's Guild (it's still there), on far too many link pages in
fansites, but it doesn't mean that many people actually read it, let
alone read to the likes of Season Four and got inspired by it.
doesn't mean there aren't similarities and unfortunately that kind
of thing happens a lot in the world of fiction. Since I'm a lowly
unknown fanfiction writer and the novels writer is as you say a best
seller, then I'm naturally worried people will see my work, see
things like the above and think I've stolen it. It's not like I've
helped my case much, my work from when I was a kid is full of
would really hurt if I was accused of stealing. I've tried to put my
copycat self behind me, I was a daft kid after all. I've worked hard
on Season Five. It, and my ex-novels Millennium which it was based
on, were my favourite original creations along with Lena &
Kiara's story. Millennium is over fifteen years old, Season Five
itself is ten years old. Episodes released post writers block in 2012
onwards weren't made up on the spot, inspired by the Voyager novels I
had read. They had been planned long ago when the season didn't have
any episodes. There's stuff which were planned long ago, but will
always have 2015 and even 2016 on their credits, making them seem
newer than the material I think is similar to them.
I'm going to be accused of stealing anything, look no further than
Seasons 1 to 3, or B4FV1. There's a reason I want to fix those
seasons. The only thing that could be considered copied material in
Season 5 are primarily used for jokes; Annika's stalking and
vampirism is the biggest example. You can have One Hundred & One
Lies' Audition plot, Meets the Eye's Ring obsession, and that related
bit in Death Corridor. You want to count Five because it makes fun of
Endgame, fine, just don't assume I picked that to spark a universe
destroying paradox cos Eternal Tide did it "first".
know, there's no proof. At least in my post writers block work
anyway. I only hope that the other stuff I mentioned in that list
that are proof convinces you I'm genuine. I sound mad and like I'm
pointing fingers, I'm not, just very paranoid about what people will
think of me.
a few mentions of a writer's block and hiatus. What's that about?
during B4FV Season Three and early Season Five I found it harder and
harder to write. Lots of things happened around that time and I
believe that they contributed to the problem. Most of the issues
arose when hosting FV on fanfiction.net, but they were already there
in my head. I thought that I couldn't write well at all (I still do).
I seemed to go out of my way to get FV attention to either tell me
otherwise, like I'd listen, or get confirmation. In the end I got
confirmation and blindly ignored the otherwise I got from my loyal
readers. The events on fanfiction.net destroyed what little
confidence I had. Every sentence was unfinished and I was judging
every single word. Everything I wrote I'd delete it and berate myself
for daring to write such rubbish.
I managed to get B4FV's last few episodes completed, but Season Five
was where I was starting to show signs of the struggle I was going
through. Meets the Eye for example took many months. The only reason
it was finished was because the writers block only started to really
crush me right near the end, and I had to finish it. After that FV
was doomed. Season Five's next episode was the big one, and as you
know from the season now there was no way to really delay it for
ended up trying anyway, hoping it would mark a big comeback in 2008.
Once I got to the part of the episode where I had planned the ep
extensively (which is now the beginning of the current Death of the
Soul), it died a quick death. My head was telling me I couldn't even
write a normal episode, let alone a big one like Death. The big
comeback instead was the big disaster. FV only ever updated to change
its design once every two years until it came back in December 2012.
were other problems going on, the main one being my accident in 2009
where I hurt my back. It still troubles me to this day, but during
the block it just gave me another excuse. My back hurts, so why hurt
it even more by sitting in front of a computer and writing crap? My
job from 2008 onwards is a desk job, so the last thing I wanted to do
was come home to do the same thing. I have figured that my job
itself, even before the back injury, contributed to the block cos of
that last point. I still to this day think so as I bring a laptop
(RIP my old friend) to work with me now. That was in 2012, the year
of the comeback, so it's probably fair to blame it ^_^
only real reason I'm still here now is that I stopped caring about
getting reviews, site hits, messages on my forum, votes in polls
etc... I write just for myself again like I did in the beginning. If
someone likes or dislikes something, I'll probably never know and I'm
okay with it. The only reasons I keep the forum is just in case my
old readers/fans return for a chat or for anyone to contact me with a
site problem. Yes I know that this attitude doesn't suit a writer. I
should care about feedback, good or bad, but the writers block just
proved that I'm not yet mature enough to handle it. At least that's
what I think anyway. When or if I ever decide to fulfill my dream of
writing a book, I'll just have to hope that my experience with FV's
near death has prepared me for it.
happened on Fanfiction.net
that was so bad anyway?
in the haven of terrible writing, extra characters that don't belong
there and parodies galore, I didn't seem to thrive. Every
"new" episode of FV was mostly ignored next to the other
new Voyager fics. Every time I looked it was basically a list of fics
with a "reviews" link plastered next to them, with little
FV in the middle being the only one without. A lot of the time I was
honestly relieved to see that, I don't know why, but in the end I
started to ask myself why? If something was really wrong with
the series, that I knew about but figured I was paranoid or I didn't
know about it, as a writer I figured I should know about it so I can
fix it. I went into a forum somewhere on that site to ask this, and I
expected to be ignored completely. I hoped someone would answer, I
knew it would be a bad answer cos that's what I asked for.
Unfortunately I did get a one.
answers that I remember from the top of my head were...
Episodes weren't divided up evenly or enough. This is why for a time
FV episodes were split into two parts within the same file. Some
seasons probably still have this setup, but you might have noticed
that rebooted and new ones do not do this anymore. I adjusted for
this accordingly, every episode that I had not uploaded yet were
edited as such.
The extra characters. I know I've hinted to this somewhere else on
the site, but the example given was Mars & Venus in Season Three.
The plot was focused on the all new cast, not Voyager ones, being
tricked into a beauty pageant. FV wise it wasn't really that big of a
deal, but any old Voyager fan browsing ff.net would have seen the
synopsis and figured B'Elanna, Janeway or *shudder* Seven was taking part.
point really was there were too many of the extra cast and they were
hogging the spotlight. S3 was the worst for this, I knew that
already, that was why a lot of them had their roles reduced in Season
Four (or were killed off in S3/4).
the end this feedback whittled the main extra cast down to the six
there is now. This wasn't a really big problem as the recent official
Voyager novels have more new characters than there are old ones. I
started to think the books should have been named Star Trek The Other
Guys, but reading it did help me see it from my readers point of
view. Too many characters can be really off putting. Unfortunately
though without any extra characters, FV loses its whole point.
The original cast's tiny cameos were out of character. Again
something I already knew and mostly did on purpose.
Most of the time nothing was going on (a very, very good point to be
fair) and characters generally were sitting around the Mess Hall,
The very basic style of writing I picked for FV (which I believe
suited a fanfiction series, it was going to be a script before I
decided on it) made reading FV very difficult. I believe that was the
word used for it. At this point I was wondering how I was supposed to
write this novel type series but still keep it chopped up into
readable sized parts for the regular fanfiction reader.
a nutshell the answers I got either wouldn't help or I tried to fix,
but things got worse before they got better. I read fanfic all the
time and I saw problems like the above. One of my favourites had
about 12 chapters that were extensively long. I saw "novel"
sized chapters, very basic and/or script style fics, characters
acting much crazier than Season One. Heck FV started back in the day
where new characters, some of which writers, star in Voyager were all
the range. I've lost count on how many had Janeway have a secret kid
or have one with Chakotay. I've seen fanfics just about two
characters chatting about something. Well you get the picture. For
some reason FV did these things and it was wrong, yet with all of
these it was right.
the fanfiction.net part of the story didn't really end there. There
was another fanfiction series on there that I really liked. It was
well written, if I remember right had a Janeway has a kid plot in it,
was divided up into many but large ish chapters, and was quite
popular. One review though mentioned me. To sum up it was basically this
series is much better than that ridiculous FV. Another nail in
had no idea what I was doing wrong or differently, nobody would
really tell me. If it were those things that were mentioned, why was
Season Four doing worse than the others? I split those eps into tiny
parts, the characters were already reduced down, the main cast had
more to do, all of the characters weren't just sitting around off
duty waiting for things to happen, the writing style (albeit was
generally the same) had improved. What more could I do?
still isn't it. With all of this and the other answers I got stuck
in my head, I uploaded the first part of Closing of the Eyes. The
episode was a few years old already, but I figured as it was my
overall favourite at the time and the largest as well, I'd upload it
a part at a time, not all at once. I had already decided that if this
episode failed to gather some interest, I may as well stop uploading
to the site. Unfortunately I did a lot more than that. With only a
couple of views after many weeks, no views for the following parts,
COTE's upload was never finished there and it was the end of FV for
many, many years.
before the 2013 anniversary on the 4th December I cut all ties to
ff.net. I stupidly left everything as it was when I initally bailed,
the only thing I did was leave a message on my profile. I did have
one or two eps favourited, ironically they were the first season
only, so I figured I'd be nice and leave it. The main reason was I
couldn't close the damn account or mass delete everything. In the end
that site cost me five or so years, it only fuelled my self hatred
and lack of confidence so what was the point? It only took me two
hours to delete everything one by one, it was worth every damn second.
is referenced a lot and not in a good way. You act like it's the end
of the world. What's up with that? *UPDATED*
must admit, the episode "Hunters" is not the worst episode
of Fifth Voyager. However for many years I thought it was, or at
least it was one of the top five worst. It's not a good episode by
any means, but it's not the bowl of mushy peas I labelled it as. It's
not the Human Error...oh sorry Threshold/Fair Haven (whatevers your
poison) of the series, not even close. Ironically during my read
through of Season One for the "ReReads" section, I
rated it surprisingly high. Season One has far worse entries
than Hunters, World Domination and Muse more than top it. Heck,
Season Two and B4FV One have worse episodes than Hunters, and I've
known this for a while.
why was it labelled the worst episode ever then?
think it was a number of reasons. The biggest possible reason was it
poorly introduced two of the main leads. The second was the lack of
"Hunters" as it focused more on wasting time with the new
castmembers, which made it an episode where nothing happens. Out of
the other "worst" examples it certainly was more memorable
as the nothing happens other than James & Jessie throw bobbles episode.
mentioned earlier, when I read it again recently I didn't find it as
offensive as I remembered. I knew before tackling it that its
reputation was unearned, my ReRead confirmed that. Yes James/Jessie's
first official appearance is a bit off but it wasn't that bad. Yes it
still went off the rails to focus on Craig hanging out with them, but
the plot was still there and the Hirogen did have an albeit brief
appearance (misspelt but hey!). I didn't hate it, and compared to
what I read before it (Aggressions, Year of Hell, Test of Time) it
was a masterpiece. Later entries annoyed me far more than Hunters,
which can only be described as just being there. Its biggest offence
is really the parts where no one knows how to tell the time.
is it still a running gag?
to be fair, it isn't now. It still was during the early days of the
reboot when I sorta knew. My answer is simply, Hunters was already
known as the bad one. So in a way it IS the Threshold of the series.
Not the worst episode but everyone likes to say it is. I wouldn't go
as far to say it shouldn't be canon because of it though, which I
think the Voyager writers did (then again, it is now thanks to its
reboot). That honour will always go to World Fricking Domination.
so what are the worst episodes?
I think you've noticed at least one episode keeps getting brought
up. World Domination is Fifth Voyager at its truly worst. It's fourth
wall dribble that makes no sense whatsoever, which wouldn't be sooo
bad if it wasn't trying to take itself seriously doing so. I could
barely skim it, it was painful. Thankfully its been replaced by its
rewrite, which I ironically consider a highlight of Reboot Season
One. Other choice examples are:
Hey lets replace B'Elanna with J/C's daughter and her friend, that
should mix things up a bit... NAH better idea, lets have the writers
show up to take the playwright Kelis' place AND the actors. What
could go wrong? Everything that's what. Added bonus, James and Jessie
aren't in it so lets force them into it. Woohoo
Wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for Jessie's makeup tantrum, 16
year old Kiara digging a 14 year old because he acts like a 5 year
old and the comment that he was only created so she could dig him,
the incest implications thanks to future reveals, Harry suiciding
"off screen" so Kiara and her boytoy cousin can take his
place and steal his lines. Am I kidding/exaggerating? I wish!
of Hell: Should be called Year of Snooze or Year of Pokémon.
No wonder the series was called the Pokémon/Voyager crossover
for so many years with a third episode like this.
Part 2: Part 1 was a little dull but did its damn job. Part 2 is a
completely different beast. Insane, random, writers taking over,
B'Elanna stabbing a love rival, "I miss Kes", why is this
called Aggressions, Janeway drugging herself or trying to but Tom's
done it first. What a load of crap.
lets look at how I ranked Season One in
the ReReads when I was finished (I'll exclude the so far
unreleased ReReads). The numbers speak for themselves. Note anyone
calling foul, this is with the new scoring system I implemented
because of too many ties and Worse Case Scenario 2 was rated either
10/10 or 225% with the old system, and just no.
Case Scenario 2
The Voyager Conspiracy
Once Upon A Time, Collective Instinct, Fugitives
Holo Q, Spirits and Prepare For Trouble
Test of Time
The Fight and Upendi
Aggressions Part 1 and Hunters
and Fair Haven 2
Year of Hell
Aggressions Part 2
9 and a half episodes are worse than Hunters (while that other half
is considered equally as bad/good). And that's still with VTV Live,
Voyager's Drinking Game and Thrown Key Part 1 to go. Spoiler alert, 2
out of 3 of them scored lower than Hunters, so that's 11. So much for
that "worst ever episode" title, ey. Not even close.
that's just Season One. Other seasons have such classics like The
Love Spell, The Atamit, Put The Knife In, Rules & Regulations,
Phage. I'd rate them much lower than Hunters. In fact The Love Spell
has been scored already, and it not only scored so much lower than
Hunters, it "beat" quite a lot of Season One's duds. Lets
just say if I were to choose a new "worse episode ever"
gag, it's a firm contender. World Domination still tops everything,
and it's pretty damn hard to beat 0%. The only way it'd be beaten is
if I found roughly 50+ things wrong with another episode with no good
things about it.